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Stockamateur
22.06.2016 11:03
#10805

Musk driver med mye rart. Har sans for hans transport-rør, planen er å sende folk i sylindere gjennom disse med hastighet på 1200 km/t. Rørene skal være nesten lufttomme, for å redusere motstand. Jeg har ikke sett hva de har tenkt til fremdrift, men det virker logisk (for Musk) å bruke elektromagnetisme. En rekke elektromagneter, hvor aktiveringen av disse skjer sekvensiellt med den hastigheten som ønskes. Det blir mange tilkoblingspunkter, og krevende styring av hvor strømmen skal hen, men når det først er bygd blir kanskje utgifter til drift og vedlikehold små.

Kult!
blåball
22.06.2016 11:21
#2524

Hydrogen og gass kan bli den " hybrid energien " , og med CO 2 lagring . ( Bellona får også litt Co 2 til gjødsling av alger , som igjen kan " fore " laks langs Norskekysten . )
Stockamateur
23.06.2016 10:26
#10812

Du kan ikke bruke H2 (eller gass) for fremdrift i rør med tilnærmet vakum. Det ligger i sakens natur. For det første motvirker du vakumet med eksosen fra forbrenningsmotoren, være seg vann eller en blanding av vann og CO2. For det andre er det trøbbel med O2 tilførselen, som de i tilfelle måtte ha med ombord i flytende tilstand eller under høyt trykk, i tillegg til H2. Vann, kondensert eksos, kan til og med medføre korrosjon i rørene.

H2 kan brukes for mellomlagring av strøm (jmfr NEL diskusjon.) Kan ikke se hvorfor gass skulle være spesiellt interessant i denne sammenhengen? Hvorfor ikke god gammeldags norsk fossekraft?

Endret 23.06.2016 10:46 av Stockamateur
Stockamateur
23.06.2016 10:38
#10813

Dog ble det nevnt at sylinderne kunne skli avgårde på et tynt skikt av luft (luftpute) inni rørene. Da blir det trøbbel med vakumet igjen! Hvis man først lager en array av elektromagneter for fremdrift, kan denne innrettes slik at den holder sylinderen på plass i vertikal retning og sideveis også. Teknologien med å holde ting på plass med magnetisme er utviklet for å prøve å lage kontrollert fusjon. (Japsene bruker superledere og lager megakraftige magnetfelt som holder plasmaet på plass. Men de har trøbbel med å nå 100 millioner grader, som må til.) Større skala på det som skal til i Musk's våte drøm, men også mye mindre kraft som kreves.

Hvorfor maset med vakum? 1.Farta. Vakum er nødvendig for å nå hastigheter vesentlig over et par hundre km/t. (De som har testa toppfarta på grombilen vet det veldig godt.) 2. Energiforbruk. Minker dramatisk når lufttrykket går mot null.

Endret 23.06.2016 10:44 av Stockamateur
Provence
23.06.2016 18:03
#9216

Elon Musk driver ikke med mye rart, se her hva E24.no skriver om planene til Volkswagen http://e24.no/bil/volkswagen/slik-blir-volkswagens-gigantsatsing-paa-elbil/23714297

Utdrag:

Innen 2025 skal Volkswagen produsere to til tre millioner elbiler årlig, og mer enn 30 nye elbilmodeller skal produseres, kommer det frem av pressemeldingen.

Til sammenligning forespeiler Tesla å produsere 80.000-90.000 biler i 2016. Innen 2020 har Elon Musks elbil-selskap et produksjonsmål på å levere 500.000 biler årlig.
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"sende folk i sylindere gjennom disse med hastighet på 1200 km/t".

Jeg er gammel nok til å huske at man sendte dokumenter o.l. i bedriftssammenheng (før datamaskiner og nettverk) i rørsystem drevet frem av vakum i sonen foran kapselen som inneholdt dokumentene og overtrykk i rommet bak. Altså et lukket system, en vifte plassert stasjonært i systemet som suger ut luften av vakumsonen og pumper luften tilbake i trykksonen. Selve transportkapselen trenger da ingen "motor" for fremdrift.

Besnærende tanke :o)

Endret 23.06.2016 18:03 av Provence
renud
23.06.2016 18:40
#13122

Provence.
Artig at du nevnte "rørpost", spesielt dersom du ikke har lest denne artikkelen. Anbefales på det varmeste, spesielt også YouTube-videon nedenfor (hentet fra linken), som viser at hyperloope tas meget seriøst i våre nordiske naboland Sverige og Finland, i samarbeid med Estland. Sover Norge i timen igjen?

Disse rørene kan bli fremtidens superfremkomstmiddel. Aftenposten 20.JUN.2016
LOS ANGELES (Aftenposten): Oslo-Bergen på en halvtime uten å fly? Det kan bli en virkelighet med hyperloop. Vi har besøkt selskapet som nettopp har fått 850 millioner kroner for å sende mennesker med rørpost.




Denne videoen beskriver selve hyperloop-konseptet mer detaljert:



Endret 23.06.2016 18:40 av renud
OldNick
09.08.2016 17:44
#18218

Tipper denne karen ville føle seg snytt hvis han visste hva stupide politikere i et land på andre siden av jordkloden (= Norge) hadde funnet på?

Myndigheten i hans hjemby Singapore har funnet ut at en brukt TESLA Model S forbruker 444Wh el-strøm/km kjørelengde, og de bruker en CO2-faktor på 0.5 gCO2 pr Wh el. produsert, hvilket gir bilen et beregnet utslipp på 222gCO2/km.

Til sammenligning vet vi at de fleste biler på bensin eller diesel i Europa annonseres med et utslipp på i området 100-150gCO2/km.


LTA on Tesla: CO2 emissions for electric cars start at power grid

Mar. 04, 2016

Singapore: All used cars imported into Singapore will have to undergo exhaust emissions and fuel efficiency tests, and for electric cars, this means having the car's electricity generation process assessed for carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, said the Land Transport Authority (LTA).

The authority was responding to Channel NewsAsia's questions after a local consumer, Mr Joe Nguyen, was reported to have spent months trying to get a licence for his Tesla Model S car to be driven on local roads. Additionally, he was not given the Carbon Emissions-based Vehicle Scheme (CEVS) rebate of S$15,000 but was charged S$15,000 tax for having a non-fuel-efficient car instead.

Mr Nguyen said in the Stuff report on Tuesday (Mar 1): "I don't get it, there are no emissions. Then they send out the results from VICOM, stating that the car was consuming 444 watt hour per kilometre (Wh/km). These are not specs that I have seen on Tesla's website, or anywhere else for that matter. And then underneath it, there's a conversion to CO2 emission."

A LTA spokesperson explained that for Mr Nguyen's case, the car was tested under the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) R101 standards. The result was that the electric energy consumption of his imported used Tesla car was 444Wh/km, she said.

"As for all electric vehicles, a grid emission factor of 0.5 g CO2/Wh was also applied to the electric energy consumption. This is to account for CO2 emissions during the electricity generation process, even if there are no tail-pipe emissions. The equivalent CO2 emission of Mr Nguyen's car was 222g/km, which is in the CEVS surcharge band," the spokesperson added.

Under the revised CEVS, Mr Nguyen's Tesla falls in the C3 band, which accounts for cars with 216 to 230 g/km, and carries with it a S$15,000 surcharge.

She added that the Tesla is not the first fully electric car where grid emission factor was applied. A Peugeot Ion, for instance, was registered in July 2014 and received the maximum CEVS rebates, the spokesperson said.

LTA did acknowledge the delays Mr Nguyen faced during the testing process at VICOM Emission Test Laboratory. He had told Stuff that he experienced a two-month "ordeal" getting his car assessed.

"This is the first time a Tesla Model S has been tested for emissions," the spokesperson said.
OldNick
26.08.2016 13:34
#18264

Tesla hevder de lager verdens raskeste serieproduserte bil

Tesla-gründer Elon Musk annonserer ny Model S sedan og ny Model X crossover med raskere akselerasjon


Johan Nordstrøm, E24.no
23.08.2016

Tesla annonserte tirsdag kveld at selskapet vil lansere nye versjoner av Model S Sedan og Model X crossover.

Det skriver CNBC.

Bilene vil ha betraktelig raskere akselerasjon og bedre rekkevidde.

Tesla hevder at Model S P100 D med «Ludicrous mode» vil bli den raskeste serieproduserte bilen i verden.

Oppdatering 24. august: Bestilling åpner i EU i løpet av natten, og da offentliggjøres også norske priser, ifølge Tesla.

0-100 på 2,7 sek

Med et 100 kilowatt batteri vil den akselerere fra 0-100 kilometer i timen på under tre sekunder og den vil ha en rekkevidde på 61 mil (målt etter den europeiske NEDC-kjøresyklusen).

Den gjør 0-100 på utrolige 2,7 sekunder, slår Even Sandvold Roland, pressetalsmann for Tesla i Norge fast i en e-post overfor E24.

Model X var allerede verdens raskest akselererende SUV, og har med P100D-utgaven med «Ludicrous» befestes posisjonen ytterligere, med 0-100 på 3,1 sekunder.

Sandvold Rolands øverste sjef, Tesla-gründer Elon Musk sier på sin side dette:

Jeg tror at det vil sende budskapet til folk at holdbar transport er fremtiden, sier Tesla-sjef Musk.

mer på link
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Tesla Model X med måkevingedører kom til Norge i juni. Den nye varianten, som kommer i november, har en rekkevidde på 542 km.


Nesten dobbelt så dyr som de billigste - dette koster de nye Tesla-ene i Norge

Teslas nye Model S og Model X blir nesten dobbelt så dyre som de billigste variantene


Steinar R. Breivik, E24.no
25.08.2016

Tirsdag kveld annonserte Tesla selskapet nye versjoner av Model S Sedan og Model X crossover.

Begge bilene skal leveres med et batteri på 100 kWt som gir betraktelig større rekkevidde og høyere ytelse.

Torsdag morgen åpnet Tesla for bestilling av bilene i Norge.

Til relativt stive priser:

- Tesla Model S P100D starter på 1.152.700 norske kroner.
- Tesla Model X P100D starter på 1.190.500 norske kroner.

Begge modellene skal leveres sent i november, med unntak for femseters-varianten av Model X som kommer tidlig på nyåret.

Det nye med nylanseringene er at de leveres med et 100 kilowatt batteri (kontra 60 kilowatt).

Den har også et kjøreprogram - «ludicrous», på norsk betyr det rett og slett «vanvittig» - og når bilen settes i dette modus vil den kunne akselerere fra 0-100 kilometer i timen på under tre sekunder. Med de nye og større batteriene vil de Model S ha en rekkevidde på 61 mil og Model X på 54 mil (målt etter den europeiske NEDC-kjøresyklusen).

Annerledes

Prisøkningen betyr et betydelig hopp fra de billigste variantene i de to seriene.

For en Model S 60D må man ut med 605.400 kroner i Norge, mens en Model X 60D koster 684.500.

Den er dyrere enn 60 kilowatt-variantene av Model S og Model X, men det er også en ganske annerledes bil, sier Even Sandvold Roland, pressetalsmann for Tesla i Norge.

60 kilowatt-variantene er mer enn gode nok for manges behov, men P100D med «ludicrous» har en vannvittig ytelse og betydelig større rekkevidde, og koster derfor mer,

Endret 26.08.2016 13:34 av OldNick
Stockamateur
30.08.2016 12:12
#10896

El-biler har kjempefordel 0-100km/t i forhold til forbrenningsmotorer, da dreiemomentet er konstant (uavhengig av turtall). = Fullt drag fra stående start. Med bensinbilen min må du legge inn 4000rpm på klokka (så turboen spinner), og bråslippe clutchen for å komme kjapt igang. (Kostet meg nye foringer til svinghjulet for et par år siden.) Allikevel drar Tesla'ene greit ifra. Men bensin er morsommere enn strøm, selvom det neppe er tvil om hva fremtiden fører med seg. Oss dinosaurer kan kjøre veteranbilene som bruker 2L/mila til de har rusta istykker, og vi er daue. Om hundre år er allting glemt. (Fra "Drømmen og hjulet" av Bjørneboe.)

Hvordan er aksen fra 100 til 200 for Tesla'en? Neppe så imponerende som 0-100.
blåball
30.08.2016 12:37
#2694

Legger man inn høytalere med vibrasjoner fra en " Amerikaner " går det fort til 200 .
( Med litt hydrogen som lystgass går det enda råere ......... ).
Tesla aksjen er nok litt overpriset , men har også romfart i programmet .

( litt " blårøyk " fra gamle dager blir det nok uansett , for blåball.... ) .

Endret 30.08.2016 12:46 av blåball
Provence
30.08.2016 20:17
#9301

Stockamateur #10896

Kjekt med 0-100km/t på no time men det holder ikke når man skal hjem og rekke kveldsmaten - combustion engines prevails der el.motoren stagnerer når man går supersonic :)

Fra E24 - Valebrokk og Co.
Elbilsalget faller, er det hydrogenbilen som skal redde miljøet?



Diskusjonen her er noe begrenset da man ikke tar inn totalregnskapet og carbon footprint


Edit: Musk kommer nok med en girveksler i Tesla'en - no problem going supersonic ..

Endret 30.08.2016 20:25 av Provence
Provence
30.08.2016 23:04
#9303

Forumet til E24 er ok å lytte til men debattantene som her deltar er noe ensidig
Jon Andre Løkke fra NEL(agrumentasjon ut fra egen agenda) og Jon Hvinding Sørensen (bilentusiast) som fremfører noen usakelige argumeter .. hydrogen finnes det en uendelig mengde av som om det skulle være et motiverende element. For i modellen om hydrogenbiler så er der ikke energi der, man må gjennom en energikrevede prosess som tilfører energien som utløses i en hydrogendreven bil.

Suppegjeng :0)

Endret 30.08.2016 23:05 av Provence
OldNick
01.09.2016 20:43
#18291

Musk's SpaceX har hatt et nytt uhell.

Denne gangen eksploderte bæreraketten Falcon9 under klargjørings-sjekken. Det er andre, alvorlige ulykke med denne for SpaceX, og de har jo ikke hatt veldig mange oppdrag. Risikoen er altså rimelig høy.

Vi ser at TESLA faller over 5% idag.
Frykter markedet at Musk må selge flere TSLA-aksjer, eller at han vil forsøke å fusjonere SpaceX inn i TESLA, slik har gjorde med Solarworld tidligere i sommer?




Smoke rises from a SpaceX launch site Thursday, Sept. 1, 2016, at Cape Canaveral, Florida. Photographer: Marcia Dunn/AP Photo


SpaceX Falcon 9 Rocket Explodes on Launch Pad at Canaveral

Dana Hull, Julie Johnsson, Bloomberg
Sept. 1, 2016

A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket exploded on a launch pad at Cape Canaveral, Florida, marking the second loss of a spacecraft suffered by Elon Musk's venture in a little more than a year.

The incident occurred Thursday at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station Space Launch Complex 40 as SpaceX prepared for Saturday's launch of Amos-6, an Israeli communications satellite, which was also lost in the blast. The explosion happened shortly after 9 a.m. local time, during a test firing of the rocket's engines.

"SpaceX can confirm that in preparation for today's standard pre-launch static fire test, there was an anomaly on the pad resulting in the loss of the vehicle and its payload," the company said in an e-mailed statement. "Per standard procedure, the pad was clear and there were no injuries."
Israeli company Space Communication Ltd. fell 8.9 percent to 39.08 shekels at the close in Tel Aviv, the most in nine months.

Saturday's launch was to be SpaceX's ninth of the year. The Hawthorne, California-based company has contracts with NASA to ferry cargo and crew to the International Space Station and contracts with commercial satellite companies to send satellites into orbit.

Thursday's incident is the first mishap since June 2015, when a Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon spacecraft destined for the space station blew apart 2 minutes and 19 seconds after launch.

Endret 01.09.2016 20:44 av OldNick
oge
01.09.2016 21:20
#16789

Kjører du Tesla Oldnick? Jeg gjør ikke, men kunne gjort med den kjørelengden i nesten alle tilfeller. Og på hytta har jeg aggregat som jeg kan fyre opp for å lade. Miljøvennlig nei, men billig.
yemaya 2
01.09.2016 21:37
#7222

Tesla har vel ikke hengerfeste, og knapt takgrind.
OldNick
12.04.2017 01:42
#18995

Det er hete diskusjoner nå om børs- og EV-verdi for Tesla Motors (NASDAQ:TSLA) sammenlignet med de 2 store bilselskapene i USA, General Motors (NYSE:GM) og Ford (NYSE:F).

TSLA-aksjen har steget kraftig i Q1, og særlig de siste par ukene, hvor 2 nyheter kanskje var driverne.

- TSLA annonserte produksjonen i Q1, de greide ny rekord på 25 000 enheter, og
- For et par uker siden ble det kjent at Tencent, det kanskje heteste kinesiske internett-selskapet (større enn mer "kjente" AliBaba) hadde kjøpt 5% av TSLA-aksjen.

Uansett, børs-prisingen som har passert både GM og Ford er meget utfordrende siden Ford selger over 6 mill kjøretøy (biler, varebiler og trucks) pr år, mens GM ligger på ca. 10 mill/år. Tesla kan (vil) passere 100 000 enheter i 2017.

Og ressursene for å investere i fremtiden er mye større for Ford og GM, som begge har flere 10-talls mrd. USD cash på balansen, selv om de også har noe mer gjeld enn TSLA, mens Tesla er avhengig av stadig nye emisjoner for å investere i fabrikker og teknologi som de enda ikke har.


Tesla's Valuation Is 'Inexplicable': AutoNation CEO

- AutoNation CEO Mike Jackson says GM is 'clearly' undervalued
- Tesla passed GM to become top U.S. automaker by market value

Anne Riley Moffat, Gabrielle Coppola, Bloomberg
11.04.2017





Why Tesla's Market Cap Is About Belief, Not Evidence

Endret 12.04.2017 01:44 av OldNick
renud
12.04.2017 08:30
#15281

OldNick
Litt banalt sagt, så vet alle som har kjøpt et gammelt hus, og forsøkt å totalrenovere det til å oppfylle dagens byggteknisk forskrift, at det både ville gått raskere og også ville vært vesentlig billigere, å kjøpe en tomt og bygge nytt.

Alternativt, å rive det eksisterende bygget og bygge nytt. Og med det er vi inne på det som vel er hovedårsaken til Fords og GMs mulige lave prising, altså ikke nødvendigvis Teslas høye prising.

Tesla ligger langt foran dem begge på utviklingen av moderne produksjonskapasitet for å lager fremtidens biler (elektrisk), inkludert nødvendig patentert teknologi, mens de begge har store produksjonsanlegg som er ubrukelige den dagen el-biler blir billigere å produsere enn både bensin- og diesel-biler.

Hva vil så verdien av GM og Ford være den dagen verdien av dagens produksjonsanlegg må skrives ned til null, eller i verst fall til negativt, ettersom man i dag ikke kan gjøre som bilprodusentene gjorde i Detroit, rett og slett å forlate anleggene?
OldNick
17.04.2017 10:55
#19007

re. renud 15281,

Det er et problem for gigantene, de har nok mye "gammel bagasje", men prises etter cashflow nå, og ikke i fremtiden.

Men, hva vet du Tesla's teknologi?

De som kjenner teknologien, sier det er primært design og software som er avansert på en Tesla.

Jeg var nylig på en batterikonferanse, og der fortalte noen japanere om at de hadde skrudd fra hverandre en Tesla S, og ble storligen overrasket over hvor umoderne teknologien var.

Det betyr bare at det er store forbedringspotensialer som de kanskje vil få frem i nyere modeller.
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Self-driving 'arms race' complicates supplier alliances

Edward Taylor, Paul Lienert, Reuters
Apr. 13, 2017

The race to develop and exploit autonomous vehicle technology is reshaping the hierarchy of the automotive industry, replacing traditional top-down manufacturing relationships with complex webs of alliances and acquisitions.

Dealmaking in the automotive and technology industry is driven by the rapid transition of self-driving vehicles from research projects to major elements of near-term product plans at several of the world's biggest automakers.

That shift is behind deals like one announced last week between Robert Bosch and Daimler AG's Mercedes. Bosch and Mercedes said they will collaborate on development of self-driving vehicles, with Bosch in a broad role as a systems integrator - sort of a copilot with the automaker in speeding up deployment of selfdriving vehicles. Bosch also expects to sell the jointly developed systems to other companies.

Separately, Silicon Valley chipmaker Intel Corp acquired automotive vision technology leader Mobileye NV, and has a deal to help German luxury car maker BMW AG develop autonomous vehicles around Intel and Mobileye systems.

The first fully self-driving cars are expected to go into production by 2020-2021. Analysts have said selfdriving cars will not be in wide use before 2030.

"Everybody is trying to understand what skill sets are required to be first in the game (and) if they don't have it, they're going to partner, invest or purchase," said Xavier Mosquet, a senior partner at Boston Consulting Group and an authority on autonomous vehicles.

Major auto companies are rich in engineers schooled in the physics of combustion and collisions, materials science and mechanical systems.

The development of self-driving cars demands experts in artificial intelligence, robotics, computer programming and digital networks who work mainly outside the auto industry.

Automakers are following different paths to acquire engineering talent. Some are relying on partnerships like the Bosch-Mercedes pact. Others such as General Motors Co are going it alone, buying self-driving vehicle startups and building technology in-house.

Alphabet Inc's Waymo and auto supplier Delphi Automotive Plc are offering turn-key systems to companies such as Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, that are choosing not to invest in their own autonomous driving systems.

COPILOT APPROACH

Some of the car companies and large suppliers could wind up as competitors. BMW has said it wants to sell its self-driving systems to other manufacturers, as does Delphi, which is developing a system of its own. Intel and Mobileye are partners in both ventures.

The Dutch provider of high-definition maps, HERE, has taken a position at the center for several supplier webs. HERE is jointly owned by Daimler, BMW, and Volkswagen AG's Audi. Intel owns a minority stake in HERE, and rival chipmaker Nvidia Corp has a partnership deal.

Nvidia itself wants to be a provider of powerful computer chips and "deep learning" software for self-driving cars to a broad array of customers, including rivals such as Mercedes and Tesla Inc, competing megasuppliers such as Bosch and ZF Friedrichshafen AG and Chinese tech companies Baidu Inc and Tencent Holdings Ltd.
OldNick
03.05.2017 22:46
#19058

Rusk i Musk-maskineriet?

I et lite tysk engineeringsfirma som designer og er med å bygger automatiserte bilfabrikker som TESLA kjøpte i fjor, velger nå den gamle CEO'en og entreprenøren Klaus Grohmann å slutte fordi firmaet hans ikke får lov å yte servce til sine amle kunder, bl.a. Daimler og BMW.

Så Grohmann forlater sitt gamle firma, vil han dra igang et nytt et og hente tilbake noen av sine gamle medarbeidere for å jobbe med sine tidligere klienter, bl.a. BMW og Daimler? Interessante saker...

Exclusive: Tesla's Klaus Grohmann ousted after clash with CEO Musk - sources

Edward Taylor, Reuters
28.04.2017

Frankfurt - Tesla executive Klaus Grohmann was ousted last month after a clash with Chief Executive Elon Musk over the strategy of Grohmann's firm, which Tesla had acquired in November, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The Silicon Valley luxury electric carmaker is counting on Grohmann Engineering's automation and engineering expertise to help it ramp up production to 500,000 cars per year by 2018.

At the time of the purchase, it described Klaus Grohmann and the company he founded as a "world leader in highly automated manufacturing".

Tesla planned to keep Grohmann on, and Grohmann wanted to stay, but the clash with Musk over how to treat existing clients resulted in his departure, the source said.

Grohmann disagreed with Musk's demands to focus management attention on Tesla projects to the detriment of Grohmann Engineering's legacy clients, which included Tesla's direct German-based rivals Daimler and BMW, two sources familiar with the matter said.

Reached by phone, Klaus Grohmann declined to comment on the circumstances of his leaving, citing confidentiality clauses.

"I definitely did not depart because I had lost interest in working," Grohmann said, without elaborating.

A Tesla spokesman, asked about Grohmann's departure, praised him for building an "incredible company" and said:

"Part of Mr Grohmann's decision to work with Tesla was to prepare for his retirement and leave the company in capable hands for the future. Given the change in focus to Tesla projects, we mutually decided that it was the right time for the next generation of management to lead."

Two sources familiar with the matter said Tesla's plans to ramp up production with the help of the company now renamed Tesla Grohmann Automation remain on track.

The management layer below Klaus Grohmann is continuing his work, they told Reuters. But they said parts of the workforce felt insecure about becoming so dependent on one client after the founder's departure.

Last year, Tesla had said: "Under the continued leadership of Mr Grohmann, several critical elements of Tesla's automated manufacturing systems will be designed and produced in Pruem, to help make our factories the most advanced in the world."

"Our factories are so important that we believe they will ultimately deserve an order of magnitude more attention in engineering than what they produce. At very high production volumes, the factory becomes more of a product than the product itself," Tesla said at the time.

Tesla started out as a client of Grohmann Engineering, a small unlisted company based in Pruem, near the Luxembourg border, that helped companies design highly automated factories, a source familiar with the company told Reuters.

As pressure grew to increase production volumes at Tesla, Musk decided to buy Grohmann Engineering and make Pruem a base for Tesla Advanced Automation.

As well as BMW and Daimler, Grohmann counted the auto parts maker Bosch [ROBG.UL], chip maker Intel, and pharmaceutical firms Abbott Laboratories and Roche among its clients.

Negotiations have started with some of the clients about how to compensate them for lack of resources devoted to their projects, one of the sources said.

forts.

Endret 03.05.2017 22:46 av OldNick
OldNick
08.06.2017 00:06
#19171

Her bør det være penger å spare for Trump-admin.

Mrd. i subsidier og tilskudd over årene, rett i Tesla og de andre selskapenes kasser, og dermed indirekte til aksjonærene, som har sett aksjekursene gå til himmels - på tross av dette ikke kan regnes hjem.

Noe av subsidiene og tilskuddene er redusert eller fjernet, og ikke alt er føderale penger (men fra del-statene) men jeg tipper det fortsatt er mrd. USD å fjerne allikevel.

Nå er teknologien utviklet nok, og konkurrentene halser bak, så om de kan konkurrere kan det overlates til markedet å avgjøre.

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

Jerry Hirsch, LA Times
May 30, 2015

Los Angeles entrepreneur Elon Musk has built a multibillion-dollar fortune running companies that make electric cars, sell solar panels and launch rockets into space.

And he's built those companies with the help of billions in government subsidies.

Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support, according to data compiled by The Times. The figure underscores a common theme running through his emerging empire: a public-private financing model underpinning long-shot start-ups.

"He definitely goes where there is government money," said Dan Dolev, an analyst at Jefferies Equity Research. "That's a great strategy, but the government will cut you off one day."

The figure compiled by The Times comprises a variety of government incentives, including grants, tax breaks, factory construction, discounted loans and environmental credits that Tesla can sell. It also includes tax credits and rebates to buyers of solar panels and electric cars.

A looming question is whether the companies are moving toward self-sufficiency - as Dolev believes - and whether they can slash development costs before the public largesse ends.

Tesla and SolarCity continue to report net losses after a decade in business, but the stocks of both companies have soared on their potential; Musk's stake in the firms alone is worth about $10 billion. (SpaceX, a private company, does not publicly report financial performance.)

Musk and his companies' investors enjoy most of the financial upside of the government support, while taxpayers shoulder the cost.

The payoff for the public would come in the form of major pollution reductions, but only if solar panels and electric cars break through as viable mass-market products. For now, both remain niche products for mostly well-heeled customers.

Musk declined repeated requests for an interview through Tesla spokespeople, and officials at all three companies declined to comment.

The subsidies have generally been disclosed in public records and company filings. But the full scope of the public assistance hasn't been tallied because it has been granted over time from different levels of government.

New York state is spending $750 million to build a solar panel factory in Buffalo for SolarCity. The San Mateo, Calif.-based company will lease the plant for $1 a year. It will not pay property taxes for a decade, which would otherwise total an estimated $260 million.

The federal government also provides grants or tax credits to cover 30% of the cost of solar installations. SolarCity reported receiving $497.5 million in direct grants from the Treasury Department.

That figure, however, doesn't capture the full value of the government's support.

Since 2006, SolarCity has installed systems for 217,595 customers, according to a corporate filing. If each paid the current average price for a residential system - about $23,000, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists - the cost to the government would total about $1.5 billion, which would include the Treasury grants paid to SolarCity.

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Endret 08.06.2017 00:07 av OldNick
Provence
20.06.2017 22:07
#9749

OldNick, du bærer ditt nick med stil men av alder tror jeg at jeg er eldre enn deg. Ikke noe fossilt over meg men søkende i et få til noe nytt.

Du har vist til en ramsaltet kritikk over norske myndigheter som subsidierer el-bil paradigme. For min del handler dette om å motivere en industri som kan pensle sektoren inn på en ny vei. For det er konkurranseelementet som bringer frem de beste løsningene For jeg tror det er dette som må til.

Dagens subsidier kan være kritikkverdig men el-bil segmentet er i en tidlig alder. Det er en motivert industri og konkurranseelementet som kan borge for at dette er en farbar vei i fortsettelsen. Elon Musk .. high 5

Når historien skal skrives og gitt suksess (tviler ikke på det) så var det Norge som en motiverende part som skapte denne reolusjonen, High 5 !

NYE AMPERA-E. - 4000 nordmenn har kjøpt denne usett

Noe underlig og vi i steinrøysa og Opel velger Norge som landet for denne debuten.
OldNick
05.08.2017 13:24
#19402

Tesla shorts har en egen hjemmeside (der de kanskje slikker sårene sine?)


TESLA Bears Club




Opprettet: 03.04.3016


Kan være mye interessant info å finne her for andre TESLA-interesserte også?

Endret 05.08.2017 13:25 av OldNick
OldNick
01.10.2017 11:56
#19560

The fascinating life of Elon Musk, captured in one giant infographic

Shawn Langlois, Marketwatch
Sept 29, 2017



From getting bullied and thrown down the stairs in grammar school to becoming "Earth's most future-oriented person" and earning billions of dollars in the process, it's hard to wrap one's brain around just how much Elon Musk has managed to stuff into his 44 years of life. But that's where this massive infographic, created by information designer Anna Vital, comes in. Read the full article.

"In a hundred years, when most people reading this and the person writing this are long gone, Musk's cars and rockets will still be circling the Earth and the skies," writes Anna Vital from the Funders and Founders blog. "How can such a person get started against all odds is the question I ask here. And, more importantly, what can we learn from him?"

The illustrated life's journey, which leans heavily on Ashlee Vance's book, winds through several milestones and inflection points, like when Musk sold his first videogame and the time he left Stanford's PhD program after just two days.

And, of course, it also mentions how Musk, after reading "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy," decided his life's mission would be to save humanity. He recently said he doesn't just want to take humans to Mars, he wants to use his next spaceship to take them from New York to Los Angeles, in 25 minutes.

Those are just a few of the highlights. It's a huge visualization , so we broke it down into some notable sections.

The rough early years, capped by a nice profit at the age of 12:



A youthful existential crisis and getting his hands dirty:



Grappling with tragedy, pondering Tesla and making the bucks:



Still to come:



On the Mars travel and colonization front, Musk has said he's aiming to send two cargo missions by 2022 to that planet. Those trips would confirm water resources and identify any hazards, along with placing power, mining and life support infrastructure for future flights.
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Anna Vitol's blog-artikkel, som Marketwatch brukte som underlag til sin.

(med en mer komplett tidslinje/infografikk)

How Elon Musk Started - Infographic

Anna Vital
Feb. 23, 2016
OldNick
11.10.2017 08:44
#19579

Tesla's Elon Musk Reveals the Next Big Automotive Trend: Gasoline

America's greatest living inventor has done it again


Ashwin Rodrigues, Fortune.com
Oct. 09, 2017

Fremont, California - Elon Musk, founder and CEO of Tesla Motors, is revered for his visionary ideas: a mass-market electric car, a private space transport company, a mode of regional transportation that relies on vacuum-sealed tubes.

On Monday, Musk revealed his latest groundbreaking concept in a bid to once again transform the automobile industry: a gasoline-powered car.

At a press conference held at the automaker's headquarters, Musk announced that Tesla will begin mass production of a gas-powered vehicle in 2022. He plans to call this vehicle the Model T.

"We can definitely make a innovative new car, but that's not the hard part," Musk said. "The hard part is, how do you make an innovative new car that Americans actually want to buy? We think we have the answer."

He added: "The Model T will be super next level." (Henry Ford was unavailable for comment.)

Famous for its ambitious projects, Tesla's success has not been without growing pains. The automaker has been struggling to keep up with the demand for its latest electric vehicle, the Model 3. A recent Wall Street Journal report claimed that parts of the car were built "by hand," rather than on its automated assembly lines; Musk denied the report, adding, "Even if we did, that makes our cars artisanal."

To stanch the tide of criticism, Musk said Tesla has been searching for a low-cost, efficient way to serve customers in need of a new ride. Gasoline might be the answer.

"I've been criticized for my plans for Mars travel and Hyperloop transport," Musk said during the press conference. "I understand these concepts are too advanced for some. So I went back to the drawing board."

When asked if Tesla risks besmirching a brand built on electricity, Musk dismissed the idea.

"Honestly, a lot of people don't really seem to care if their cars are electric," Musk remarked. "So while this gas-powered vehicle might look like a step backwards, I take solace in knowing the profits will help me eventually transport people via pneumatic tube, whether they want it or not."

The Model T will be the company's first vehicle powered by an internal combustion engine. The model specifications boast a capacity of five passengers and roughly 31 miles per gallon on the highway. The vehicle will not have any autopilot capabilities (the company's signature "Ludicrous Mode" has been swapped out for "Sensible Mode") nor software available for over-the-air updates.

"Apparently, analog technology is what some people want," said an exasperated Musk, who was reportedly seen hurling his Diet Coke into a wall after the press conference was over.

The Tesla Model T is already in high demand. Upon hearing news of planned production, Urban Outfitters committed to purchase 400,000 of the vehicles.

"Today's millennials yearn for the styles of yesteryear," said an Urban Outfitters spokesperson. "Gas-powered vehicles with average fuel economy are very much cool again."

The Model T has also seen support from a demographic previously underserved by Tesla: Americans who love to consume fossil fuels.

"When it comes to my car, it's gotta be two things: American and gas-powered," said one customer who pre-ordered a Model T. "But Tesla's cars run on electricity, which I didn't know when I bought one. Each week I end up buying gallons of gas that I can't even use. I just pour it all down the drain. Once I have a Model T, I can stop doing that."

Tesla noted that all pre-order sales are final, and that it will not issue refunds if legislation banning gas-powered vehicles is signed before 2022.

For more satire from Fortune, click here

Endret 11.10.2017 08:46 av OldNick
OldNick
16.10.2017 15:14
#19586

Elon Musk: velkommen til den virkelige verden...

Arbeidere og teknikere ønsker å organisere seg (slik de har gjort i resten av bilindustrien i USA), men det liker ikke Musk.


Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

Kanishka Singh, Alexandria Sage, Reuters
Oct. 16, 2017

Luxury electric vehicle maker Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) fired about 400 employees this week, including associates, team leaders and supervisors, a former employee told Reuters on Friday.

The dismissals were a result of a company-wide annual review, Tesla said in an emailed statement, without confirming the number of employees leaving the company.

“It’s about 400 people ranging from associates to team leaders to supervisors. We don’t know how high up it went,” said the former employee, who worked on the assembly line and did not want to be identified.

Though Tesla cited performance as the reason for the firings, the source told Reuters he was fired in spite of never having been given a bad review.

The Palo Alto, California-based company said earlier in the month that “production bottlenecks” had left Tesla behind its planned ramp-up for the new Model 3 mass-market sedan.

The company delivered 220 Model 3 sedans and produced 260 during the third quarter. In July, it began production of the Model 3, which starts at $35,000 - half the starting price of the Model S.

Mercury News had earlier reported about the firing of hundreds of employees by Tesla in the past week.
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